Pastor Chris and the issue of masturbation


Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Senior Pastor of Christ Embassy, a Nigerian mega church, has caused a stir in Christian circles with controversial statements he made recently. Some people may not agree with my decision to dedicate a blog post to this issue but I feel we have a responsibility to challenge one another based on the scriptures.

Pastor Chris propheciesThe controversy is centred around the fact that in giving counsel to what I can only presume to be an individual struggling with masturbation, Pastor Chris essentially told the individual that the practise is not necessarily a sin against God as it was just a habit like any other. Just so you don’t take my word for it, here are the actual quotes:

“The reason you are thinking of stopping it (masturbation) is because you think it has become a habit for you… masturbation is not more than a habit than any other habit.

“So once you make up your mind that you want to break a particular habit, you just do it, you make up your mind… in fact the best way to break a habit is to replace it with another habit.

“There is one thing I would like to bring to your mind that may be of help to you because the reason you are thinking of stopping this is because of what you think it is.”

He further added that:

“No matter how wrong you think this is in your mind, get this straight, in itself, it is not a sin against God,”

He said that as a result of this belief that it is a sin, Satan used it to oppress people of God “making them feel ineffective and inefficient in the things of God.”

I don’t know how you feel about these comments but I find them upsetting. Here was a young man or woman with the intention of seeking wise counsel from a pastor regarding a sin they were struggling with and in the end, their actions are basically endorsed. This individual in question might now feel justified in continuing to live in what is clearly a sin against God. Masturbation is sexual immorality. Period.

These sort of comments are extremely dangerous because if you occupy a position of influence or leadership, your words can literally shape the lives of countless others. Understanding the challenges with breaking free from addictions, anyone with such an experience will tell you that justifying such sin especially through a pastor, opens doors for much more deception by the devil. The bible says that we should be able to subject our bodies to being controlled. It says we should not use our members as instruments of evil but of righteousness. The only context in which sex is permitted in our faith is within the context of marriage.

What do you guys think about this issue? I know as Christians we tend to shy away from pointing out the truth when we see deception but when you think about the millions of men who are suffering from such addictive behaviours and are suffering severe consequences as a result, we are constrained by duty to speak the truth. I have nothing personally against Pastor Chris even though so many people have much to say about his approach to ministry but I draw the line as a Christian when the truth is blatantly being twisted or misrepresented.

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100 Responses to Pastor Chris and the issue of masturbation

  1. I come from a background in counseling, (Masters degree in counseling, BA in Psychology), and I firmly believe that this masturbation matter is between God and the specific Christian believer.

    What is sin for one may not be for another, similar to what the bible tells us about the sabbath and eating meat. The bible tells us not to do anything that might cause one’s Christian brother to stray. For you, masturbation is sin; for me it is not.

    Now I believe porn/lust is sin but using masturbation without porn, purely as a tool to relax and sleep, (for example), is not sin. For those who are single, not married, I believe without a doubt that God would prefer that we masturbate versus join the world and fornicate freely in promiscuous fashion. I’ve never been convicted of this “sin” and have prayed and simply remained quiet before God so that I could be open to His judgment on the matter; there was none.

    I won’t argue about it though; I am sincerely and firmly of the belief that not everything that is sin for one believer is sin for another.

    • Watchman says:

      Hi warrioress. Thanks for sharing your insight on this. This is my first time coming across this doctrine and I will have to check with the scriptures. Like you, I will refrain from arguing about it but I really do appreciate your sharing your views on the matter. I have my personal convictions but I’d rather we emailed privately so we can discuss more deeply. I hope others will also share their opinions. It’s important to maintain a teachable spirit so I’m looking forward to our private discussion.

    • austine says:

      [21:26:40] Austine Iroegbu: The Bible mentions Masturbation when it talks about lasciviousness Please see (Mark 7:22, 2Cor. 12:21, Gal. 5:19, Eph. 4:19, 1Pet. 4:3, Jude 4) it means:
      1. Given to or expressing lust; lecherous.
      2. Exciting sexual desires; salacious….

      • austine says:

        does lust by anyway look like a godly thing?

        • Watchman says:

          Thanks for your contribution Austine. I personally would not encourage it myself as I feel it’s a slippery slope downhill. I’ll have a closer look at the scriptures you kindly pointed us to. Thanks again.

        • Carl says:

          Lust isn’t a godly thing. But you’re generalizing a little.
          The bible say coveting is a sin. So in theory, if you went outside and saw your neighbor’s Ferrari and wished it was yours, that would be a sin.
          But if you stumbled across a magazine with the picture of a Ferrari and you admired the car, THAT wouldn’t be a sin.

          Same thing with masturbation. If you masturbate while thinking of a lady or guy you know, you’re committing adultery. But if you masturbate to ease your tension, using your imagination.. I fail to see how the lust rule (like covetousness) applies.
          Who exactly have you harmed? The imaginary 6ft 4 hunk?

          • Hope Maimane says:

            One question… Do you think Adam masturbated when he felt like being intimate before Eve came? Chances are that your conscience would not agree that he did…Well, if that’s the case, the reason we know by conscience that Adam did not masturbate,it is because we know he was sinless at the time…another thing when God finally decided to bring Eve,the physical design of Eve was such to allow satisfaction to what Adam already had, feelings,penis, semen etc If God did not see anything wrong with masturbation,he would have chosen a design on Eve that would not complement the sexual needs of Adam…and just when you think sex is only for multiplication,not also pleasure, God made Sex such that within a month,you can enjoy sex and not inpregnate or inpregnated…my point…God would not have bothered to design Eve the way she was designed for pleasure of Adam’s sexual needs, if masturbation is ok.So Eve was consciously designed with man’s sexual design in mind…a hand was not suppose to do such a work.

            What do you think the bible meant when Paul said “if they cannot contain themselves,let them MARRY,for it is better to marry than to BURN” 1 Cor 7:9…

            Take note that in the verse above, NOT BEING able to contain yourself sexually was not solved by “masturbation” but by resorting to Marry…knowing that if you need sex, the spouse would be there to ease your tension as opposed to a hand!

            Therefore masturbation is illicit according to the nature of a God.

            • exactly. It is not godly. Let’s call it what it is: “sin”

              • Hope Maimane says:

                Thank you Dear. It is sin…but those who lack revelation would say, “masturbation has never been put under any of the existing laws i.e. Law of Moses and Law of Christ/Spirit…They’d reason that sin could never exist if there were no law…hence sin is transgression of the law…

                But under the Law of Christ, the Lord Jesus Himself said…

                Matthew_5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

                which qualifies masturbation to be sin.

                Hug!

          • tafadzwa gushazmane chycomweh says:

            too fine to be one true.it is your thinking that inspires your actions.almost immediately let me agree to disagree. i always thought it was a sin but it goes with morals.

            • Hope Maimane says:

              Kindly leave your reasons to disagree. The scripture I quoted speaks a mouthful…the solution to “burning” (sexual pressure) is to marry…For Paul to have not married, he could contain himself sexually, if he could not, he was not going to masturbate but to marry…Hence he advised the church to marry if they cannot contain their sexual pressure:

              “…if they cannot contain themselves,LET THEM MARRY,for it is better to marry than to BURN” 1 Cor 7:9…

              I do not think there is anything complicated about this. Pastor Chris is in error for defining this as harmless. Besides all this, we have seen people being delivered from spirits that cause them to masturbate.

    • Onwuka Akachi says:

      @Warrioress: i would like to ask you if it is humanly possible for someone to masturbate without having lustful thoughts or feelings. Please no hard feelings i am just trying to understand your point of view.

      • Yes, it is possible to masturbate and focus only upon the physical responses, especially as one ages. I disagree that all “lustful thoughts are feelings” are sin, however, and find no shame in an act that is private, a release that keeps one FROM SINNING (fornication, adultery, etc.) Again, I think our bodies naturally glorify God when they are used in such a way that it harms no one. I believe that Romans 14 parallels this issue very well and stand by what I’ve said thus far, even though I realize it isn’t a very popular perspective among Christians.

        Personally, it’s not something I confront or attempt to convince other Christians about unless they bring it up and want to discuss it. I believe this is a very private, personal matter between one’s self and God, and one shoe does not fit all where this issue is concerned, imo.

  2. Thanks, Watchman! Certainly I’m open to private discussion on this. BibleWarrioress@aol.com, anytime. :)

    • Watchman says:

      Thanks warrioress. Will mail shortly. Appreciate it

    • Hope Maimane says:

      The Warrioness,

      I am interested to know what could possibly just the masturbation to be acceptable in the Kingdom of God. Kindly explain your reasons in the bible perspective.

      • I believe I’ve shared my opinion on this matter on Watchman’s blog at length. I believe this is a personal matter between the individual and God. I have already stated why, and conclude that it would be inappropriate and unbiblical to say that what is not sin for me will not be sin for you. If you consider masturbation to be sin, I do not intend to be a stumbling block for you or any other Christian.

        • Hope Maimane says:

          Ok. I do not regard this matter to be like matters like the “issues of food” for example, where the bible made it clear that “food does not commend us to God”…Where it is a matter between man and God…or an issue of day of worship which is entirely up to a person and His God…When it comes to sexual issues, one is either in the place of HOLINESS OR NOT according to the bible.

          To prove this even further, the Lord Jesus indirectly expressed the importance of holiness in sexual issues such that mere “sexual fantasies” about people who are NOT spouse to one is as SINFUL as one would have done physically. [By the way, even when you’re not married and you desire another woman, she is still not your wife…You can only desire here after you married her]

          HERE IS A SOLUTION TO STRONG SEXUAL DESIRE:

          “if they CANNOT CONTAIN THEMSELVES, let them MARRY,for it is better to marry than to BURN” 1 Cor 7:9…

          Take note that in the verse above: “masturbation” was not suggested as solution but MARRIAGE was and still is…knowing that if you need sex, the spouse would be there to ease your tension as opposed to a hand or any other tool!

          This verse should be able clarify any grey areas….Masturbation is not a grey area…The bible assumes that believers are to commit themselves to a marriage if they cannot handle celibacy.

          I believe I have shared the truth and not lies. Be the judge of yourself.

  3. Fola adelaja says:

    My question is what exactly is masturbation and what purpose does it serve? I’m sorry but masturbation is in the same category of sins as fornication and adultery. People masturbate for sexual release. Masturbation is needful all the time such that it can be passed off as a mere habit amongst both married and unmarried? A thing of the mind? I beg to differ. There’s a whole lot of deception out there and this is clearly one of such. As long as the church remain silent on issues like this, we encourage the spirit of deception to get a good hold on God’s people. So as not to turn this into a long drawn argument, although I fear I might have stirred the honet’s nest already, I would say that we can support even sinful habits with scriptures. The young man who asked for help in Pastor Chris’ video clearly understood that there was a problem with masturbation and that’s why he sought for help. Masturbation has its root in lust. Sexual stimulation and release was made specially for marriage between a man and woman. Seeking for that release outside God’s pattern is a sin. Period! I could go on and on but I’ll stop here. A word is enough for the wise. Thanks for sharing this needful post.

    • Watchman says:

      Apologies for taking too long to put up your reply Fola. I found it very rich at first glance but will take my time to reply properly when I’ve digested what you’re saying.mim just glad that you were moved enough to share your views as passionately as you did. Thanks and God bless. Look out for my reply shortly.

    • Watchman says:

      Hi Fola, I finally get the opportunity to reply your comment. Thank you for being bothered enough to passionately air your views on this platform. I am also of the school of thought that Christians should not shy away from topical issues like these because our shrinking away makes room for deception. Where there is no light, darkness will inevitably invade. Whilst masturbation is not directly referred to in the bible, there are countless guiding principles that make it clear how we ought to live as committed believers in respect of this matter. My challenge with anyone who subscribes for masturbation is that can they actually commit the act without having impure thoughts? Is there any such thing as sanctified masturbation? Is it really possible to go down that route and not slide down the slippery slope? I have seen too many lives destroyed by an addiction to masturbation. If it wasn’t such a problem then why are there countless ministries and books dedicated to helping people overcome in this area? I believe that it’s better to stay away from the edge of the cliff. We may not be forbidden to go there but then we increase our risk of plunging right into the abyss. The enemy doesn’t play fair. He lures people in with the impression that it is safe and boom! That small opening in the doorway is now a path wide open for all sorts. Prevention is better than cure but the Spirit will guide each man or woman into all truth. Honesty with ourselves will be imperative in grey areas like these. Thanks Fola

      • Fola adelaja says:

        Thank you for throwing more light to the issue. The bible says all things are lawful but not all things are expedient. I have been close to those who were addicted to it and like you rightly said, it opens the door to the enemy. One thing I can tell you is that masturbation robs anyone of true intimacy in marriage. There are so many things that are sinful which there’s no specific scriptural reference to but we have the Holy Spirit and we can judge right from wrong. It’s a terrible thing and I quake with fear when I hear believers reason it away. There are countless number of good books out there on the topic. Please let’s be wise for the days are evil. Thank you.

        • Watchman says:

          Thanks again Fola. Iron sharpens iron and I appreciate your input. It’s been awesome hearing different perspectives converging on the truth and the way to life. God bless you

        • Carl says:

          I think it swings both ways Fola.
          Masturbation may rob some people of intimacy in a marriage but it can also prevent a husband from committing adultery (something most spouses would be happy to hear).

          More importantly, I’m yet to hear of a marriage where the loss of intimacy was CAUSED solely by masturbation. I think that’s just one of those urban myths. Men who masturbate frequently have high sexual drives. If anything, they tend to be OVERLY intimate.

          In the end, it all boils down to a person’s relationship and viewpoint with God. Jesus Christ spent the years of his ministry, living without an income and encouraging people to avoid pursuit of worldy gains.
          Like he pointed out ‘It is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a camel to walk through the eye of the needle’.
          And yet, even though, Jesus has warned that being rich greatly threatens a person’s salvation, most people are willing to ignore this rule for their own ends.

          I;m not saying being rich is bad. ( I’m all up for it). I’m just pointing out that billions of Christians are willing to ignore rules that are clearly outlined in the Bible, while harking on issues that are less clearly spelled out.
          And there lies the irony.

          • danny says:

            It’s quite shallow deceptive to believe that masturbation prevents the act of adultry. I know many men who started of with what they thought was a small harmless act lead deeper into indiction and the persue of things such as sex before marraige and adultry. Masturbation is and endless persuite of lust and only came after men fell and is part of the fallen nature of man.

          • Ezer Meet says:

            Hi Carl, I read your comment and thought to share a story with you about a man whose addiction to masturbation actually led to a breakdown in intimacy within his marriage.

            As a young boy he’d wear his farm boots and go out into the field to masturbate while everyone in his house was asleep. He did this until he got married, and moved into his own place. However the problem was he didn’t enjoy sex unless he was staring at his boots (something he had done while masturbating for many years of his life). At first the wife thought it was kinky, but quickly got irritated by his always wearing his boots while they made love- this was when the real problem started.

            You see men are visual beings while women are emotional. During sex women produce more oxytocin (known as the “cuddle hormone”) than men, hence tend to form emotional bonds with men they have sex with. This bond deepens the more times sex occurs. Men on the other hand release dopamine which has an addictive effect. Since men are more visual, their minds associate the images they see at the time of the sexual act with the pleasure they feel, the more of the same image they see the deeper the association is implanted in their subconscious.

            So this young man’s subconscious associated the image of his boots while masturbating with the pleasure he felt during sex, making sexual relations with his wife strained unless he had his boots on. The man had to seek counselling to overcome the challenge.

            This example for me proves that God’s attention to detail is unparallel. Men are aroused by what they see- God made it that during sex a hormone is realised which ensures that they desire to have even more sex with whom they are seeing ; their wives. Women are emotional being- God made it so that during sex an emotional bond is formed with who they are with; their husbands. If He does not require sexual pleasure to be a function of one’s spouse then why create humans in this way? If a man is aroused by what he sees can we honestly say that it is possible to masturbate without his visual senses (even if it’s his imagination) being aroused by lustful thoughts? Lust is lust, whether its directed towards a neighbour or a random girl in a magazine. Sexual immorality is one sin the bible expressly states can be committed in one’s mind.

            I think it’s important to look at the underlying issues alongside the actual act. I believe that masturbation is rooted in both selfishness and self centeredness. Sexual pleasure was designed by God to be enjoyed by husband and wife- together, masturbation is more concerned with self gratification than the selfless gratification of your spouse. The bible also talks about self control, a fruit of the spirit. God gave man dominion over EVERYTHING, including emotions and urges, so we are to boss our emotions/urges around and not let them boss us around.

  4. isaiah43123 says:

    Wow Watchman, I applaud you for taking on this issue that normally would be ignored. Very courageous! To be honest, I never thought about this before, so to comment warrants some research into what God says in His word. I do know we are to be a light in the darkness, revealing the truth where deceit tries to reign.
    Keep the Faith!

  5. Watchman says:

    Hi Karin. Thanks so much for your encouragement. I’m always reluctant to delve into issues like these because I don’t want to come across the wrong way but there are certain things I see or hear and my spirit becomes restless. A righteous indignation rises up in me and I feel compelled to play my role as salt and light even if it will be an unpopular decision. I may not always be right and so I appreciate when people challenge my views because it drives me back to the scriptures. Thanks again Karin. Perhaps next time I’ll leave out the pastor’s identity and focus on the issue at hand in order to avoid it coming across like a personal attack. This was a friend’s suggestion and I will take it on board.

    • isaiah43123 says:

      Hello, Watchman. Standing firm in our faith involves shining the light to reveal the truth, which will not make us very popular, as one dear friend often reminds me. But, we are not here to be popular, are we? Your friend’s suggestion to stick to the issue is a wise one, although I did not interpret this as a personal attack, but some might. May you be continually stregthened in your efforts to reveal deception with His light of truth!
      Keep the Faith!

      • Watchman says:

        Thanks so much Karin. Encouragement from fellow believers goes a long way in these times we live in. May we keep encouraging andbuilding up one another in the faith. Let the Lord’s approval be the only one we seek as we share the gospel. Thanks again Karin. I truly appreciate your kindness.

  6. Olúwatóyìn says:

    Here’s a link to one book that addresses masturbation amongst other general issues related to sexual lust.

    http://www.joshharris.com/sex_is_not_the_problem_lust_is.php

    I think it’s a great book because I believe it offers a template of sorts that can be used to address many different areas in which other cravings (not just sexual related) can be overcome through the Bible and understanding GOD’s purpose and design of people.

    It’s great that you address the issue. A lot of the most bothersome issues that believers face are treated too sensitively and often not adequately addressed.

    Being that every human being is sexual, managing that aspect of life, particularly in these highly sexually oriented times is often very challenging. Most people (that learn) end up having to learn from errors when people close to them often had the revelations or/and experiences that would otherwise have helped.

    I also think your friend’s suggestion is an excellent one, like you said it gives little chance for the focus of the posts to be misconstrued!

    Excellent work bro… shine on…

  7. Watchman says:

    Thanks for sharing your comments bro. I was chastised in love by this friend of mine and their advice just made a whole lot of sense. The issue is the issue. The person is the person. I’ve learnt that now and apologise to anyone who feels like I overstepped my boundaries with respect to identifying Pastor Chris by name. Back to the issue at hand, I’m glad you shared the link. I hope people take advantage of it and find out more. I’ve heard you shower so much praise on this book and I’m sure it’ll be a blessing to many. Thanks bro

  8. I think you will be untrue to yourself and to the Spirit of God in you if you are stirred up by something and you do not respond to it.

    I would personally not go the route of masturbation because as you said, it is a slippery slope, if nothing. Do I think it is sin? Yes because I know conviction will be my portion if I try it. I am not so stirred as to write about it like you have done and I salute you for responding.

    If we cannot imagine God engaging in something, we probably should not do it since we have been called to be imitators of God. Will Jesus masturbate? Does it glorify God? Is it an act of worship? Does it express true love for God, for myself and for my neighbor?

    In a way, I think apart from the obvious sins stated in scriptures, what we classify as sin depends on how far we desire to go with God in the spirit. If you intend to go far, you probably need to go beyond obvious sins and lay side every weight and the sins that so easily beset. In other words, I need to raise my standards if I want to go far. If I am still trying to decide if masturbation is sin, I may have tethered myself to a terrestrial existence.

    • Watchman says:

      Hi Tolu. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this matter. I have learnt a lot more from people’s comments than what I actually wrote in the first place! It’s a privilege to receive such rich insights from so many believers. The approach may be diverse but there is a thread of consistency thus far. I hope that other readers have also benefitted from reading these comments. I’m also very encouraged by fellow bloggers who have inspired me to lay aside my fears and write as inspired by the Spirit albeit with a dose of godly wisdom. You wrote something I was afraid to write and that is the fact that can we actually honestly say that Jesus would have practised masturbation being a single man during His time on earth? You also alluded to the fact that we were created to give God glory and I just personally feel that masturbation is focused on self rather than God or others. In the end, our journey with God is a very personal one but Jesus said that if we cannot bear our cross and follow Him then we limit how far we can go in Him. Thanks bro.

  9. I would like to return to comment upon the thoughts expressed here thus far.

    Addiction is a very real problem to anything that brings us pleasure in this life. One can be addicted to sex within the marriage bed, even. Balance in all things is key.

    In my opinion, one should take this matter up between himself and the Lord through prayer and meditation upon God’s will in the area of one’s sexuality. There are numerous instances where marital partners are forced into long separations (military etc.) and instances where one is divorced and admonished by the word not to remarry. We are created as sexual beings for a reason, imo. There is no shame in what God created and He obviously does not intend for all to marry, nor can we.

    Judgment can be harsh, uncertain, and unfair when it comes to the minds and lips of mortal man. We should never put a stamp of approval upon anything that might cause our Christian brother to stray, so may each believer decide on this issue for himself and attempt to find God’s will in the matter. The bible is silent in regard to this and I believe it is silent for a reason.

    • Fola adelaja says:

      Dear Warrioress, I feel strongly a rejoinder to your comment is in order. The truth is that when it comes to spiritual truths especially one that has no clear cut reference in the bible, the tendency is for christians especially those who are not skilled in handling the meat of God’s word to give it a private and convenient interpretation. That something is not specifically mentioned in the bible does not make it right. What did the bible say about Lasciviousness and lust? Wanton desires. 2 cor 12:21, Gal 5:19, eph 4:19, 1 pet 4:3. Lasciviousness covers all ramifications of lustful activitie both already invented and yet to be invented. Tomorrow they might come up with or endorse another lustful act and give it another name. Do we search the bible for that new terminology in order to be sure of God’s mind on the matter? No. Does the bible have to have a laundry list of sinful habits before we can stay away from them? No! We are admonished to flee from all appearance of evil. Once we build on a pattern that is contrary to God’s we build dangerously and we need to take heed. If you must take a stand on anything, please be absolutely sure that it is in the bible and you have an inner witness. I am not talking about a mental consent or emotions. They are not reliable. Please read over the comments above a second time before you conclude that masturbation is not a sin. We’re not here to judge anyone but to be the light God has called us to be and we will not be silent regarding this issue.

      Like a commenter mentioned above, Paul was single at some point and Jesus never married. Does that infer that they must have had the need to masturbate in order to find relief? Ludicrous to even imagine it so. Can people who are single or unmarried live without sex? Of course! Sex is not just physical, it is spiritual. It is also an act of worship and it MUST be between a man and a woman. No more no less. The sexual release or orgasm that people are seeking for was meant only for marriage. The Holy Spirit can help singles and the unmarried to keep themselves for marriage. We receive because we ask not. When we ask for help from God we receive help. Nobody said sex is evil. It isn’t as long as it stays true to pattern: man + woman (within a marriage concept.) Anything else is an abomination to God. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of these kinds of things; lasciviousness and all manner of sexual perversions. Please please don’t close your mind up or make it up because you don’t believe what we’re saying. It’s a lie of the devil.

      Thank you!

      • Fola adelaja says:

        Sorry, I meant to add: To believe what we’re saying in the light of the scriptures. Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let the word be established. We have the Bible, the Holy Spirit and godly counsel. That’s three.

        Thank you.

      • Nosky says:

        Great insight. Human logic, earthly counselling and all that can’t help the issue. Look people don’t know what we are talking about… it’s about God, the Holy Spirit and the Jesus. They don’t know who these people are so they can’t make meaning out of a spiritual thing…

  10. Here is my final word on this as I think the following chapter within Romans makes everything about this topic really clear: Despite the obvious that we disagree, I do not wish anyone to stumble. I subscribe to Romans 14 on this issue, but certainly respect and honor those who feel that masturbation is sin, who advise strict caution regarding it. May God bless and keep each one of us according to His will as brethren within the body of Christ. There is no further argument here from me.

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    The Weak and the Strong

    1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

    5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

    9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11It is written:

    “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
    ‘every knee will bow before me;
    every tongue will confess to God.’”a
    12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

    13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no foodb is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

    19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.

    22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

    • Watchman says:

      Sorry I’m on the move at the moment and can only reply briefly. All I want to say mainly is that even though our viewpoints disagree on this matter, I cannot commend you enough on your approach warrioress. It hasn’t been a slinging match or a competition to win but rather, a genuine concern for the truth. I pray that the Lord will guide you as you continue to earnestly seek Him. I pray that we will learn to remain teachable in spirit and continue to grow from debates like these. Thanks again.

    • Onwuka Akachi says:

      @Warrioress: I hope by now you are not thinking that who is this guy that is just following my posts? It’s just that there is something about the biblical text(Romans 14) that is out of context.
      Looking at the text objectively, you’ll realise that Paul was not actually talking about actions or thought patterns, rather he made a lot of references to food. I believe that (having done a little research on Romans 14 and will advise you to do same), “Paul was talking to brethren from a Jewish background who would inherently have problems about clean and unclean meats. Also, because of their national and religious heritage they would have problems about keeping certain feast days. The meats and feast days were common problems in the first century, because many Jews had become Christians. It is from this setting that problems would naturally arise which are addressed by Paul in Romans 14. Most of what Paul writes in Romans addresses the attempts on the part of some Jewish Christians to make the gospel system an adjunct of the law. ” Culled from http://cedarparkchurchofchrist.org/cpcofc/index.php?n=Main.WelcomeVideo. Shalom(if anyone feels the need to correct me please do cos’ we need each other to survive.

    • Nosky says:

      You see sometimes people can misquote scriptures

  11. Moinsanda says:

    Masturbation is a way of satisfying ur sexual desires.If God wants us to satisfy our lust this way then why wil He provide for man a wife.U masturbate with ur hand?If ur hand wil cause u to sin it is better u cut it off than have ur whole body being thrown into hell.Any man who masturbates have defiled himself n the wife,not even animals wil masturbate.Amen.

    • Watchman says:

      Yet another perspective. I do appreciate the fact that you took time out to write your opinion on this matter. I pray that the Lord will continually guide us through His word and by His Spirit. We can’t go wrong if we are submitted to Him.

    • Carl says:

      Good point.
      Here’s my question. It’s possible for you to be tickled by other people. But regardless of how hard you try, its impossible for you to tickle yourself.
      But its possible for you to sexually stimulate yourself.
      You ask if God wanted us to satisfy our lust this way, why did he provide man a wife?
      So here’s the counter.
      If God didn’t want man to satisfy himself this way, why did he make it possible and rule out tickles?

      • Hope Maimane says:

        Carl, in all of God’s choices on the design of man…A relationship between husband and the wife is likened to the relationship between Jesus Christ and the Church of God…Tickling however does not have divine or spiritual connotation in the bible…but sex does! Fornication (sex outside marriage) is regarded as IDOLATORY. Tickling is but a minor issue compared to the issue of sexual sin…and whether you are tickled or not, you are neither commended before God or not for…but in as far as sexual morality is concerned, we see many different expressions in the bible…from adulterers being stoned in the O.T to the “Go and sin no more” verses of the Lord Himself.

  12. princes diva says:

    masturbation is a sin period….no justifications.now how can one overcome masturbation especially if they do it in the night??? what are some of the powerful habits one can replace masturbation with??

    • Watchman says:

      Hi princess diva. Thanks for stopping by on the blog. This topic really caused a stir but I’m glad people were bold enough to stand for their beliefs. I hope there is more than enough from the comments to keep you engaged. I personally won’t subscribe to masturbation. I find it to be dangerous grounds that could lead to a much worse condition. Thanks again

  13. I think the issue of masturbation by pastor chris is alittle bit confusing. The bible says we should lead a holy life because no one will see God without holiness. If we encourage masturbation in the church to be practice by the born again christians, then we are not far from from those who allowed gay marriage to be conducted before the holy altar of the most high God.Therefore, we as the church of God, we have to be very careful in this generation. it is not good for us the born again christians just to believe a preacher because of the miracles we are seeing God is performing througth him. No humanbeing is ever perfect. sometimes a man of God can give out answers wrongly to the congregation. so the most important factor, we have to go back to the scriptures to check whether his answers can march with the word of God or not. otherwise, the whole church without looking into the scripture will fall into the pit of hell because of putting a complete trust in a preacher while forgetting chritian’s mirror which is the bible not the pastor incharge.

    • Watchman says:

      Hi Emmanuel. I couldn’t agree with you more on the essence of not swallowing up everything we hear from pastors but being diligent enough to ckeck what they say with the scriptures. The word of God is the final authority and no man can usurp that. We need the attitude of the Bereans who paid no mind to the fact that superstar apostles were preaching to them. They still did their research. I pray that the Church will wake up from its slumber and progress from a reliance on being spoon-fed from the pulpit. God bless

  14. ron says:

    Thanks Watchman for the debate which i followed as i scrolled down very enlightening and praise to you for the courage to raise the subject. i`ll ad just briefly that any addiction masturbation , gambling drugs, overeating is wrong in Gods sight , as it takes over His place in our lives , which should be rightfully His.
    Blessings
    Ron

    • Watchman says:

      Hi Ron. Thanks so much for dropping by. Heard so much about you from Anne. It’s a privilege really. Your perspective is right on the mark because whilst we focused on the moral issue of the matter, we totally ignored the idolatry aspect of it. Thanks again for reminding us not to put anything before God in our lives. He must take preeminence. Thanks Ron

  15. Freedomborn says:

    Hi Watchman like Ron and you I believe that anything that takes the place of God in our lives is sin but we must be very carful not to judge others in regard to their weaknesses, faults and shortcomings, many believe these are sin but they are not. God tells us to pull the plank out of our own eyes first. Many weaknesses and this can include some addictions are caused through, fear, hurt or habit and even grief we need to have compassion and Love for these people not point the finger at them.

    Yes masturbation is as you and Ron shared sin like adultery and sin leads to more sin because Satan has a foothold, I found this to be very True when I was addicted to gambling many years ago, at that time what I thought was just a bit of fun lead to a nightmare that hurt God, others and myself and almost caused me to take my own life. God rescued me and delivered me after heart repentance and the gambling that had total control of me no longer was part of my life anymore. But at the time when I was fully addicted to gambling I would have welcomed teaching that told me it was ok or just accept it the same as this teaching from Pastor Chris who believes that masturbation is not sin …itching ears!

    As Ron said thanks for the courage to raise the subject Watchman about what many would prefer to keep hidden and it is why they often focus on others weaknesses etc they are trying to justify their own sin and absolve their need for heart repentance not just lip service repentance means no longer continuing in sinful behaviour. As the Scriptures tell us if sin is not repented of it leads to more sin because Satan has a foothold and that sin can even cause others to sin, yes they will still be accountable but so will those who caused them to sin unless they both repent and forgive if needed and seek restoration through the Lord.

    Anger it is not a sin, it is an emotion but if we allow anger to cause us to become bitter and resentful it can lead to more sin even murder. How do we identify sin, it has no real Love or acceptance of others, it is bitter and resentful and is only focused on self and as much as people they try to hide it, their actions will show it to be true because they will be in opposition to God’s guidelines which is idolatry as Ron and you said.

    Christian Loves Anne.

    • Watchman says:

      Hi Anne. Thanks for sharing your powerful testimony about gambling. I tell sceptics that the greatest proof that God exists for me personally is the transformational work He does in the lives of people. You’re also right in saying we ought to be careful not to point fingers and judge people in a loveless manner. We just need divine wisdom in striking the right balance between speaking the truth in love and showing compassion.

      Thanks as always for sharing Anne. Take care and God bless

  16. Thank you watchman: My only concern, believers in the church their capacity of understanding differ from one person and another . If you are teaching believers of different levels, try to be concern about the negative impact on those who are new especially. BY the end of our work here on earth, we need to be rewarded by God. so be careful about the message you are giving out to the congregation, let it benefit all.

    • Watchman says:

      Thanks Emmanuel. The bible warns that those who are privileged to be teachers of scripture have an extra burden of responsibility to the truth. I agree we should be careful and balanced in our approach so as not to mislead others intentionally or unintentionally. That is why the bible also says we should study the scriptures to show ourselves to be skilled in handling the Word of God. It takes time, practice and diligence. Thanks for your comment.

      • mike says:

        Hmmmm. Is masturbation a sin? Is eating a sin? Is lying a sin? Personally, I am of the opinion that the church should grow out of this place of foundation and comeup to maturity. Having all the knowledge about all the sins and their nature will not give you an ounce of righteousness. Rather as Paul said, through the law I only became conscious of sin. If We will all become more consciousness of the righteousness of God that is already in us and part of our new nature, the struggle with anything( sin or a mere habit) would become a thing of the past. It doesn’t matter if masturbation is a sin or not. What We need to do is become spiritually mature. Then only will u act like Paul that said We should leave the good things for the best. My point is, if you would yield yourself to the ministry of the spirit. He will deal with any dirty stuff.

        I used yo be entrapped in the dirty habit also even when I started the work of the ministry. And sometimes, after masturbating I would go out to minister and the holy spirit would still confirm his word with signs and wonders. But then as I grew in the lord and made up my mind to become more righteousness conscious rather than sin conscious, I couldn’t tell how that habit and every other thing disappeared.

        Hallelujah.

        No wonder Jesus said to Peter follow me and I will make you. He also said you are cleansed by the word I have spoken to you. Let’s stop battling if this is a sin or not. Rather We should commend ourselves to the word of God which is able to build us up and give us an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

        Thankx

        • Watchman says:

          Amazing response Mike. Just awesome. I’m personally very grateful you would share such a personal experience with us all. It is a powerful testimony too. I agree that we need to allow God’s primary sanctification agents, the Word and His Spirit, to transform and mature us into Christ’s image. He will guide each and everyone of us into all truth if we yield to Him. Masturbtion really isn’t the issue. Yielding is. Thank you Mike

        • Tolu says:

          I love your comment sir. The best response I have read so far. Thank you.

          The scriptures say, “awake to righteousness and sin not.” “Walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh” not “Don’t fulfill the lusts of the flesh and you will be spiritual.”

  17. Onwuka Akachi says:

    It’s been really interesting coming across a topic such as this. Having gone through most of the comments i think that regardless of how we may view life’s issues(based on our christian upbringing, life experiences, convictions and values), there is a need to establish the fact that the Bible should be the foundation and the pillar of truth that is if we claim to be believers. also we should learn to distinguish between being judgmental, correcting in love and stating the truth according to the scriptures. we should learn to let the entire Bible be the foundation on which our entire values are based, not just the parts that we feel that are applicable to us. I think one of the wiles of the devil especially in this end times is to let believers think that the living a godly life according to the scriptures is not attainable hence we can be excused from some principles in the Bible. The turth is that masturbation(without being judgmental or anything) is a sin and i will give scpriptural reasons for saying so.
    First and foremost, anyone who has once been a slave to it will attest to the fact that you cannot do it without some imaginary person created in your mind. You cannot tell me that you do it just to relax just as you sleep to get refreshed. If masturbation involves an imaginary character(whether the person exists or not does not matter) then does it not contradict what paul says about the works of the flesh especially lasciviousness, unclean thoughts and about renewing your mind by putting to death the old man who is given to such lewd thoughts?
    Also, the Bible says that we should glorify God in our bodies for our bodies are the temple of God and anyone who detroys God’s temple him will God destroy. Do you really think that when you masturbate you are glorifying God in your body? We should also remember the latter end of that scripture that says that anyone who destroys God’s temple him will God also destroy. Regardless of what scientists are saying about the benefits of masturbation, if we have truly let the Bible become our pillar and foundation then we’ll agree that it is an abuse of the sexual desire(meant to be exploited only within the confines of a mariage) and freewill that God gave to man. A man of God once said that if God intended for man to smoke he would have created a chimney on his head (or an exhaust pipe somewhere around his feet) n.b: i just added the part in parenthesis. when purpose is unknown, abuse is inevitable, hence when the purpose of sex is unknown(sex was meant not just for procreation but for intimacy and pleasure between married couples, see Genesis 2,3), its abuse is inevitable that is why we see so much problems arising from sex-related issues in our society today. The devil has played his age-old card on man which is the deliberate obfuscation of the succint, lucid,clear-cut and easily comprehensible instructions from God so as to get his aim which is to kill to steal and to destroy.
    In conclusion, i would like to implore us as believers to walk in the spirit so as not to fulfill the desires of the flesh, put on the whole armour of God so tha we may be able to withstand the wiles of the devil, and let the whole word of God(not what the world dictates) which is the Bible to be our foundation and pillar of truth. Also if anyone is being held bondage by this sin, i would like to let you know that you are in it alone, there are so many other people who have gone through it and came out by God’s grace hence you can overcome it. Please visit this site: settingcaptivesfree.com and seek Godly counsellng. Shalom

  18. I think there are parallels we can draw from the passages in Romans 14 to this issue on masturbation and whether or not it is sinful. Again, anything can be sinful when taken to an extreme to the point at which it becomes an addiction. Anything.

    I don’t believe that the natural responses of our bodies are sinful, lustful, or anything to be ashamed of. When one is alone, keeping himself or herself in celibacy/without a partner, I don’t believe that the act of masturbation is unholy in the sight of God. I think God appreciates our bodies because He made them exactly as they are. He designed them to function as they do. I think our bodies glorify God even through masturbation and that there is nothing whatsoever sinful about it, most especially if one is masturbating in order to relax and sleep, and relieve stress.

    I have understood the various examples of scripture offered up here, but again, I don’t perceive of any scripture speaking to this practice and referring to it as lewd, lacivious, unnatural, immoral, or anything else negatively-speaking. This practice may be a dangerous one for those who must use porn or for whom this could become an addiction; I do not argue with that one bit. I don’t think, however, that there is anything the least bit shameful about masturbation, nor have I ever felt anything shameful when I engaged in it. As one gets older, it becomes much easier to simple focus on the body responses and not the fantasy aspect of the act; again, this may not be appropriate for all Christians. For those whom this is sinful, do not engage in it.

  19. Masturbation not a sin? Well, I’m of the opinion that masturbation is a sin in its whole sense. Lets be truthful to ourselves here because by deliberating on this issue we are changing lots of life. I have been masturbating… It has been a fight within myself to stop it but it is really hard. Though I have been doing this I really don’t like it because I know am a sinner with that. A pastor should be careful on how he deal with issues such as this. The bible condems all post of lustful practices. I’m a christian and our faith goes with the truth. I’m still fighting that ugly act. I’ve prayed and make decisions but I just can’t. Its a sin against the body and against God.

  20. Oche John says:

    It is grieviously unfortunate when we hear this kind of statements coming from highly respected men like pastor chris. The more troubling part is the fact that many people see him as a model and will believe any thing he says without checking.

  21. Watchman says:

    I concur with your feelings Oche John. You highlighted two key problems with what happened here. The first is the fact that those in a position of influence should be careful with what they say because if its not clear or biblically sound, people can misinterpret and run amok with erroneous beliefs. The second is that people should adopt the attitude of the Bereans in scripture, who would not take the Apostles’ word for it but had to check everything against scripture. We can’t keep swallowing every seed that falls off the pulpit. We have a responsibility to study the word too so we can spot errors when they come at us. Thanks for stopping by Oche John.

  22. Ayo Adeniran says:

    Thanks to all who have commented above. But may I ask all wu are yet to be convinced by the 3 witnesses earlier mentioned. Pls be true to yourself on these: What is the state of your conscience? Do you yet hear God speaking to you clearly(if ever He has spoken 1 on 1 to you before) ? Truth is progressive and we must be ready to grow in our knowledge of it. We are to give account before God in the day of judgement concerning all our deeds in the body. So can I imagine me telling Him – Lord, while on earth, I masturbated for your glory and I’m sure you were glorified. Lets all remember that life is not to be lived for self-pleasure but for the Lord. So, as we decide to evaluate this mata personally, lets remember that God must be glorified in all we say or do. If He isn’t, even if we are released or gratified, we stand d risk of divine condemnation or of loss at d Judgement Seat of Christ. May we see in His light(Ps. 36:9) now and not be shocked on that day when all deeds will be revealed & brot to judgement. Pls, if you are having issues with getting your liberty, wait upon the Lord and ask d Holy Spirit to reveal d Father’s mind and to release His purification & cleansing power that will make you whole.

    • Watchman says:

      Thanks for your contribution Ayo. Continue to speak the undiluted truth of God’s word. We live by His standards and not ours. The Holy Spirit will always be there to help us.

  23. foly says:

    Well going through all the comments I must say I have been richly blessed. I am a regular listener to pastor chris tv program and I even experienced my first encounter with God through this, years ago. I could remember that my first true salvation was lost because I could not go two month without masturbation even when I kept myself I still had wet dreams, I finally settle to believe the lie of the devil that I could not be a holy christian because of my high libido and ended up blaming God for given me such a body. Soon I went back to full funication and had multiple sex partners worst than before. That first experience with God still remain my best till date, I was closest to God and my prayers get answered like magic. It was a real consciousness of Gods presence in my life it was as if he was human and was always beside me. But he kept mute on masturbation. I prayed and fasted but nothing. I read the bible still nothing. I finally gave up and felt I did not deserve his closeness I felt really ashamed of myself. Now am married .and too busy with work to think of masturbation. When I look back I realize I was a baby christian and needed encouragement then but did not get it. @watchman, your view is firm and truthful but it will end up doing more harm than good to young believers especially those struggling with masturbation and genuinely trying to please God. I .would rather we stop condemning in strong words and advice on solutions. To young unmarried christian or married christian with masturbation problem. Note that God created u perfect and gave u hormone for sexual drive which varies between individuals and because u have high sexual desire does not make u unholy, pray to God about it avoid being alone in a room, take time out with friends and as much as possible share this problem with’ matured’ Christian brethren. It helps.

    • Watchman says:

      Hi foly. Thanks for your rich contribution. It will truly devastate me to find that telling the truth as spelled out in scripture will only serve to do more harm to Chirstians struggling in this area. As you can appreciate from the number of comments associated with this post, this is a very hotly debated topic for many reasons. I was personally moved to do my bit because I have seen it destroy too many lives, particularly those of young men. Masturbation robs them on so many levels and they are all desperate to break free and enjoy the self-control that is promised as one of the fruits of the Spirit. They want to honour their bodies and God Almighty by limiting sexual pleasure to their marital bed. They want to be led by the dictates of the Spirit and not the dictates of their fleshly impulses. Some of them have succeeded with God’s help and have never looked back with regret. Others have given up and allowed it to master them, leading them to a life of guilt, dissatisfaction with sex in marriage, distance from God and isolation from others. I’m not even going to get into the spiritual ramifications of opening a loophole for the enemy to gain a foothold through masturbation. That’s another ball game entirely. So please forgive me but I must speak with conviction. There are people who confide in me about such struggles in confidence. I love them and counsel them with the truth. They keep coming back and I keep relying on God to work on them through me. I hope I will never think I know it all. From your contribution, I will learn to speak the truth in love and wisdom. As for my stance, I remain where I am Foly. Thanks again for stopping by. I really appreciate it.

      Here is an excerpt from an article on bible.org:

      Below is a brief summary of some of the issues dealing with this subject. I hope it might help. This is one of those hot buttons on which there is a great deal of disagreement and what is given here by no means touches all the bases.

      Summary: The Bible no where specifically forbids or denounces masturbation. It does, of course, denounce all forms of sexual impurity and fantasies that would involve adulterous relationships whether actual or mental. The problem with masturbation is that it not only can become habit forming and addictive, but men and women often engage in pornography and adulterous fantasies in order to reach a climax. Further, the difference in sex drive in a couple is often not the real problem or issue. It is rather a breakdown in the relationship and in an understanding of the role of sex in marriage as that which not only gives pleasure but expresses love, unity, and commitment to each other. Masturbation expresses the opposite unless done with the other partner. The husband may experience orgasm with his wife without actual intercourse. If away from his wife and he is experiencing strong sexual desire and he can have an organism by thinking about his wife, etc. then that could be appropriate.

      More Detail: As mentioned, the Bible does not directly address the issue of masturbation or deliberate self-stimulation of the sexual organ to the point of orgasm. It does warn against all forms of self-indulgence, adultery of the mind, and fornication. One of the problems involved is that though God created sex for enjoyment and pleasure, it is to be confined to the marriage relationship because it is also designed to express love (not just sexual love), unity, and total commitment. Masturbation is an act of self-gratification rather than a part of giving gratification and pleasure to one’s partner. Here are a few of the dangers of masturbation that some have listed:

      1. Psychic effects. Masturbation has a tendency to isolate its captives psychologically and socially. In masturbation, the person is focused on self-alone even though he or she usually is fantasizing about someone else at the same time.

      2. Emotional deprivation. It is impossible for the one who is practicing this habit to experience the full extent of sex emotions. Therefore, in short-circuiting the emotions one can easily be removed from the world of reality.

      3. Damaged sensibility. The habit of masturbation has a tendency in numbing the mechanism of the sexual organs if practiced excessively. This lessens the sensibility and thus detracts from normal sexual relations of married life.

      4. Self-gratification. The emotional background of self-gratification is not the least bit healthy and usually militates against the home, wife and family because it is focused only on self.

      5. Control of the mind. Along with the act of masturbation comes the fantasy of the mind. When practiced often, a pattern or cycle seems to become established within the individual’s mind. Thus, perversion has a tendency to control the mind and this in turn initiates the act. The real danger lies in the guilt that increases as the individual dwells in this world of fantasy.

      Much more could be said, but this will give you a few things to think about. There are plenty of theologians and pastors, etc., that I am sure would disagree with my comments on this, but here are some things for consideration.

  24. samuel James says:

    please we should not use our human imagination or understanding to explain a sensitive issue as this. The truth is masturbation is a great sin before the Almighty God. Those engage in it need to repent and turn to God for mercy. Please don’t be deceive anybody – no matter who they are!

  25. Dark Phoenix says:

    Fighting as I am against masturbation now (at this very moment, I’m alone in the office, not feeling well and have used masturbation as a crutch, so I’m being tempted now), I’m glad to see the discussion on masturbation here. There are some points, having been fighting it for over 20 years, that I want to speak about.

    Paul asks us in Phil 4:8 to fix our minds on whatever is pure…from my experience, I can say that it is impossible for anyone who is a habitual masturbator to think pure thoughts about people of the opposite sex.

    Most (practically all) males who have a habit of masturbation also engage in pornography. Can we honestly say pornography is not sinful? Look at the harmful effects: there’s a book titled The Demise of Guys that looks at, among other things, the harmful effects of our sex-crazed video game culture on young males. They find it harder to relate to real women, for example. I can honestly say that some of the times I have treated my girlfriend the worst I was masturbating and thinking of other women (there has been this deception that she’s not to be touched, but other women are fair game).

    My long history of masturbation paved the way for fornication.

    Jesus categorically said sleeping with a woman in your mind is the same as physically doing it. Let anyone who masturbates stand up and honestly say they aren’t thinking about someone – whether a fantasy someone or a real someone – when they are masturbating. I won’t hold my breath. The mind is the primary sexual organ. Furthermore, the mind is where strongholds live, and the sexual fantasy is truly a difficult stronghold to demolish. I’ll give you a personal example. In the sexual fantasies I allowed myself to ‘bite’ (it’s a temptation too), my partners would generally be willing or have no option (be forced). The reality is that after I get married, my wife is a real person – she might not want to have sex. That takes out willing. Would I then force (rape) her? Furthermore, I will need to give her pleasure, unless I am being completely selfish (the real point of masturbation and sexual fantasies, the worship of self, which really is the devil’s sin). What pleases me may not please her. Would I respond in love and learn to please her, or will I just take my pleasure and leave her? A habit of sexual fantasy produces the latter – but can never produce the former! We need to start thinking that allowing oneself to think of sex outside of one’s (already) married spouse is dangerous. As Steven Covey says, everything is created twice. Once a person creates a sexual fantasy, they will want to fulfill it. Now they have two problems. As someone said, there is no right living that can be separated from right thinking.

    Masturbation cannot be separated from lust. The problem with lust is that it is never satisfied. I read an article with a non-Christian perspective yesterday (because of the strong language and explicit images, I do not intend to link to it), but suffice it to say that the author agreed with this point. Loving someone else (even in a marriage relationship) does not insulate one from lust, and if you don’t want to play, leave the table. Nobody I know of ever just stopped at masturbation. They masturbate more and more, because it becomes an addiction, and they become slaves to the sin (God is completely against anything taking His place, as has been said above, and lust, using masturbation, has a very strong hold on many people, removing them from where God wants them to be). Some even (like I did) end up in physical sexual sin with a person, or worse.

    The scriptures ask us to guard our hearts (of which our active/allowed thinking is a major part) with all diligence, for out of them (our hearts) flow the issues of life. Jesus said that a tree is known by its fruit. I challenge anyone to show me positive fruit of habitual masturbation that is completely free of any of the negatives I or anyone else who has commented on this since February, and I will stop fighting masturbation. But again, I will not hold my breath.

    As someone else said above, the key point is not so much condemnation of people who are struggling with sexual sin (the church isn’t a poster for perfect people, it’s a hospital for broken people, but so often we shoot our own wounded) of any kind, but to allow them see the light of the gospel (2 Cor 4:4) that Jesus set them free from sexual sin. It can take time for this truth to become a revelation, but as one exercises in the word of God, meditating in it, they become able to do what it says (Josh 1:8). Jesus was God condemning (giving no excuse for, passing judgement over) sin in our physical bodies so we could yield our members (The Amplified Bible specifically talks about mental and physical faculties) as instruments of righteousness unto God. Someone has mentioned http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com as an excellent resource. I highly recommend the course named The Way of Purity and ask that you have a physical accountability partner who will hold you responsible when you start it.

    • Watchman says:

      WOW!!! WOW!!! WOW!!!

      I cannot thank you enough Dark Phoenix. Suffice it to say that your comment is the best anyone has ever shared on this blog! You shared your personal struggles. You shared your insights on this matter. You shared the revelation you’ve received on the subject. You shared the practical challenges involved with masturbation. I cannot add or take anything away from what you’ve written. In fact, I was so blessed by it that I would like to ask your permission to share your comment as a post on the blog, obviously referencing you. I really believe it would bless so many and at least sow a seed that will get others thinking. I have also recommended The Way of Purity on the blog in the past. I agree that it is an excellent course. I’m just so grateful that you were honest and bold in your comment. I pray that Christ will continue to hold your hands right through the process. Who the Son sets free is free indeed. You pointed out one important thing though: may our knowledge become revelation and truly transform us from the inside out. God bless you.

      • Dark Phoenix says:

        Please feel free to use it. If people get blessed and set free, then it was worth it.

        As an addendum, I was at a midweek service last night and Pastor Nuel Manufor of CovenantLight Church (www.covenantlight.org) was ministering on the love of God. I believe that when we get a true understanding of the love of God for us, we will hate sin. Paul talks about becoming rooted and grounded in the love of God, and being filled with the fullness of God. I hope I get the chance to upload the audio so someone can be blessed by it.

        • Watchman says:

          Thanks for your permission Dark Phoenix. I also agree with you when you say that a deep revelation of the love of Christ will result in our abhorring sin. Thanks again.

    • Michael says:

      My brother I understand your plight however I must disagree that masturbation cannot be separated from lust. Your experience nor that of others doesn’t determine all experiences. I KNOW for a fact that it can be separated and neither does ti have to lead to porn use & fornication. Lust is a choice of the mind. A man when naturally having a sex urge because of his seminal vesicles being filled doesn’t need to even think about sex to get an erection it just happens and once an erection is present no lustful thought is needed to self stimulate to orgasm. We must get our facts straight. Many persons believe lust & masturbation must exist together because of wrong information & traditional beliefs hence it becomes the practice. But it is not true, neither does it have to be a habit again that’s a choice. I do agree however that if one has self control & lust issues one should not engage in masturbation. But IT’S VERY POSSIBLE TO DO SO WITHOUT ANY LUSTFUL THOUGHTS AT ALL male or female as long as it’s when a natural sex urge happens and not induced by porn etc.

      Michael / Counsellor

  26. Dark Phoenix says:

    Here’s a link to the audio file: http://www.mediafire.com/?tmrz16uaeduwebj

  27. Carl says:

    I left three replies on the page so I felt it would only be fair if I tossed in my two cents.
    I’ve seen the video, and even though I felt he went about his explanation the wrong way, I do agree with one IMPORTANT detail that he said.
    People need to understand sin. Sin isn’t defined by what we say. It’s decided by God.
    In the old testament, God ordered the Israelites to go into a village and kill every man, woman and child.
    Disobeying that commandment would have been considered a sin.
    But there’s no doubt that most people would yell blue murder (literally) if the same was done today.

    The issue of masturbation is a complicated one because a lot of people make assumptions based on their idea of purity.
    Personally, I understand why people would want to avoid masturbation. But i have a problem with people imposing their views and restrictions on others, especially when the bible does not say (in any chapter or verse) that masturbation is wrong.
    Considering that masturbation would have probably been a lot more open then than it is now, that’s a pretty big omission in my books.

    The question of the Holy Spirit guidance is a very very very important detail. We’re all different. In the bible, Samson slept with Delilah, a gentile in her home committing several sins.
    And yet the bible says, when he got up and the men came to attack him…”The SPIRIT OF THE LORD came on him”.

    I think masturbation works for those who are able to separate the dangers linked with the act. There’s a difference between people who drink responsibly and those who binge.
    There’s a difference between people who take cough medicine for a cough and those who drink it for the highness (don’t try this at home).

    Sometimes, Christians simply need to just focus on the log in their eyes and quit yelling about the spec in others.

    • Hope Maimane says:

      Carl,

      I quote you: ‘In the old testament, God ordered the Israelites to go into a village and kill every man, woman and child.
      Disobeying that commandment would have been considered a sin.
      But there’s no doubt that most people would yell blue murder (literally) if the same was done today.”

      My response:

      You are correct to say many would have regarded that as murder or even genocide. But you need to cast your mind into the environment of the day…It was such a common thing to take over a country through war…and God did not ask anything different from what the kings of the time always did…And God already knew the extent of rebellion of the nation to be killed by the Israelites.

      Besides, when talking of the Israelites, you are talking of the “old man”…they were not born of the Spirit…But you are born of the Spirit and you are expected to put off the old man…God dealt with as with a carnal man.

      But once you are in the Spirit, you will also learn somethings of the Spirit…for example…

      You will learn that God gave a solution to Paul to advise those who cannot contain sexual desire:

      1Cor 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

      Note that Paul did not advise the church of God to ease off the sexual pressure by self…Paul takes seriously sexual satisfaction such that you have to MARRY! Whether you want to escape the implications of marriage or not, the solution given to ease sexual pressure is, MARRIAGE.

      Of course, we all know the design of marriage…A woman and a man.

  28. wisdom@yahoo.com says:

    Masturbation is not a sin, get over it, if you think otherwise please provide the Bible chapter and verse, simple!.

    Anyway, for those who want to know, Pastor Chris is not condoning masturbation, he is too big for that, he is not saying is ok for a born-again christain to masturbate or that he will now start holding a masturbation classes, I know this is the impression many of the respondent here have, no, no, that is not what he said or is saying.

    What he is saying is that should you find yourself in this situation (Anyway, this is baby class for baby christains, when the light shines darkness disappears you don’t need to cast the darkness out just put on the light)that you should not allow the devil to condem you for it, many have lost their salvation because of things like this, because often after they were born-again the devil still use strong holds like this to draw them back without understanding the light of the word which they received, how to use the light, switch it on e.t.c…anyway Christ Embassy is a worldwide ministry and we are not all stupid even if you mistakenly and wrongly felt the ones around you cannot search the scripture, in fact we have one of the highest number of graduates and young people today in churches both in Nigeria and around the world, and let me tell you a false prophet does not engage in seemly controversial issues like this in public, what for, when you can teach it privately, anyway this is just by the way.

    The challenge with some of our Christain brethren is that they lack the right knowledge of what concept of sin really is. If you look, they say you have sinned, and you don’t look, they say you sinned, is just sin, sin everywhere, you enter a house all you see is sin, sin, enter the bus e.t.c all you see is sin, sin and sin because they do not understand what exactly sin is and is not.

    If many of the respondent here showed half the passion demostrated here in winning souls I can assure you thev world would be a better place instead they are getting passionate about irrelevancies and wrong things, Pastor Chris said masturbation is not a sin e.t.c I wonder who are this people trying to save, those that are saved already or those that are not saved?

  29. Hope Maimane says:

    Wisdom says “masturbation is not sin get over it…”

    When you look at it naturally,psychologically and spiritually it is sin.It’s a matter of time before you discover it…God Himself can’t be beaten by what the bible omitted to address explicitly…

    Anyway,there are many things that we know by default are sin…even if we never read in the bible…

    If you read a verse like “touch not the unclean thing”…What in your opinion would be an unclean thing?Would a vibrator qualify?Anyway that’s for you and your conscience to deal with.

    God had put in Adam desire for sex…hence the design of a woman was perfectly designed to complement the sexual needs of Adam…Even in the very act of intimacy requires a woman and man…if you take time to study the design of Adam and Eve you’ll see deliberate design to enhance sexual satisfaction.

    I close it by this verse,Paul said in 1Cor 7:9-“If they cannot contain themselves,let them marry,it is better to marry than to burn”

    From the verse above you will learn what really pleases God…to marry more than “to burn”…

    Please take note that the solution to the inability to contain self was not self-satisfaction but MARRIAGE.

    The inability to contain self can only mean one thing…”the inability to withold yourself from sinning…

    “burn” Paul also uses the latter word…Whether you deem this word to mean,burn in sexual desire or you deem it to mean “burn in hell”…it still teaches us one thing,The prescribed solution to sexual need is to “Marry” because it is assumed,marriage is place that God created for sexual satisfaction.

    Just because there is no where in the bible where we’re told not to do something it does mean not our conscience and the Holy Spirit will be silent unless one chooses to follow his own ways,as a backslider does.

    Besides this,are many testimonies that confirm that indeed masturbation is sin…sin is sin and does not a complicated definition…If you still,you sin whether you were a Gentile or a Jew.Even the Gentiles did some things by mature which were written in the law as Paul explained and by those natural laws which seem resemble the Law of the old testament,they’d be judged!

  30. danny says:

    Hi, I absalutly shun this demonic addiction. This pastor is deceived and deceiving many too. I have thought about this issue and the bible does not specificaly mention masturbation but I believe this should be even more of a red flag to stay away from it. Christ never masterbated and we are to be just like Him for we were created in His image and likness. The Holy Spirit came to bring a culture of God’s kingdom to us and I’m sure masturbation is not a kingdom culture and it is not seeking first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness. Finaly any message that does not bring the fear of God, for the fear of God is pure, should be avoided. The person must work out His own salvation with fear and trembling.

    • Hope Maimane says:

      Thanks Danny, I had some respect for Ps Chris but after listening to this evasive explanation as to why masturbation cannot be sin, I started to look at him with a different eye…he really has to convince me now that, he really teaches by the Holy Spirit. We love him and we will honour him because he taught some truth in other messages but in this case, he is really under serious scrutiny.

      Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

  31. Michael says:

    I Applaud Pastor Christ for his position. Yes I’m a Christian for over 30 years and also a minister. Most Christians accept the traditional view that it’s a sin but never themselves take the time to carefully research on the issue. We must be careful how we speak fro the scriptures where it is silent. The teaching that Masturbation is inherently sinful came from the Catholic Church centuries ago because they believed that men produce a limited amount of semen in their lifetime & none should be wasted. Of course this is not true. Then this belief was perpetuated and accepted through out other churches. As a matter of fact most Christians don’t even know that many beliefs & practices in the church today are not particularly biblical but religious beliefs and practices which originated in the very influential Catholic church. Any-way like some other issues Masturbation is not mentioned in the bible & only is a sin when a sin is attached to it such as lust or lack of self control, & NO A PERSON DOESN’T HAVE TO LUST TO SELF STIMULATE!! As what is often said. Do your own research & don’t just go by traditional views.

    Michael

  32. Michael says:

    Oh just to comment on the reference by someone to what Paul said in 1st Corinthians 9, as many Christians often do, we take and interpret scriptures out of context to fit into & support our beliefs. Paul’s was not at anytime referring to single people coping with their natural sex urges, he was speaking specifically to persons having attractions to the opposite sex & hence sexual desires towards the person. Notice he said ..”better to marry than to burn with passion” Passion here speaking of passion towards someone, if you can’t withhold your passion towards someone then it’s better to marry than to burn with that passion. He was never talking about natural urges caused by the natural hormonal functions in the body. He was speaking about fornication.

  33. Peter says:

    Moderator, Kudos for your best deed here; To my own understanding, Masturbation is an immoral tool that being effected to human’s life via immoral sexual desires by devil…..its lead many men to open door for evil spirit wife during constant practices. the bible tells us “we shall know the truth and the truth shall set us free..” the very topic or subject matter is very key we should handle it with care be you christian or others in religious practices….my final statement is a tool from devil….and really ruins life if victims are not picking up on time to involving himself in very hot prayer to cancel the habit..or destroy the work or tool of the devil in his life.

    thanks
    peter.

  34. John says:

    Live your own live. Don’t overthink things, and don’t try to regulate and judge other people for doing something 100% natural, because a 2000 book says one somewhat understandable sentence about it. Thanks.

    • Hope Maimane says:

      There is a man called “Ignorance”. He takes issues of holiness and truth lightly and misunderstands the work of Christ in paying for sins. This man is in such a danger yet he proudly assumes he will be accepted by God with his state of heart (attitude). Masturbation is sin otherwise Paul would not have advised the Church to marry IF THEY BURN with sexual desire:

      Please read:

      1Cor_7:9 BUT IF THEY CANNOT CONTAIN, LET THEM MARRY: for it is better to marry than to burn.

      Please observe that Paul’s solution to sexual desire was marriage…and not masturbation.

      This is confirmed by a number testimonies of people who masturbated and were demon infested.

      Even in the world, people are beginning to realise that masturbation defiles your conscience.

  35. richard. says:

    i highly feel cheated,am also stragling someone 2help me please.

    • Hope Maimane says:

      RICHARD,

      Most sinful addictions are broken easier when disclosed to the Church elders who living in truth and in the Spirit…No wonder the James 5:16 says that we must confess our sins to one another that we may be healed….Confessing is not secretly disclosing something like the Roman Catholic system would…In your confession, your face must be seen…in that case, demons feel ashamed…and when you are being prayed for in the name of Jesus, the spirit of lust will go. Gaurd your eyes from temptations on Facebook, movies, adverts, magazines etc, they have been put there by Satan to feed ADDICTIONS and make them stronger BUT IN OBEDIENCE TO GOD’s Word, is DELIVERANCE.

      David said in the Psalms “I will not set any wicked thing in front of my eyes”…wicked things are set everywhere for the saints to fall into temptations. Avoid sensual talk with sisters in the Church who are sensual….They too are being used by Satan to feed lust. Do not enjoy looking at the bodies of people you know will find sexually attractive.

      No addiction can be broken without fasting and prayer…Fasting is not fasting until your flesh really feels the pain of being denied food. You may drink water. But do escape to the bathroom or something to pray one thing “Lord, extract all spiritual power of lust and disobedience, cleanse my eyes with the blood of Jesus, remove images of sin, fornication, masturbation and adultery out of my soul, spirit and flesh in the Name of Jesus”. You do not have to pray my English here but pray the theme this prayer and God will hear you. God will never turn away anyone who takes the necessary steps to be delivered from sin. Remember, Jesus did not die on the cross for nothing…His death and Blood was for our salvation. Remember, it is actually a personality that makes you want to feel like masturbating…Deal with that spiritual personanility.

      • Watchman says:

        Thanks so much for passionately pouring out virtue in tackling this topic since I first blogged about it. May the good Lord continue to guide and strengthen you to stand and speak the truth even in these dark times.

        • Hope Maimane says:

          Thank you Watchman. Have you thought of posting on Rick Warren’s recent call to intercede for the cardinals to receive God’s direction on next appointment of the Pope.

          Rick Warren’s call received both criticism and applaud. We may need the Lord to give us direction if it was in order for Minister Warren to have uttered such words.

  36. Uzoefune David says:

    What pastor Chris is saying is, you don’t have to have that consciousness dat you’ve sin bcos it will affect your christianity and your spiritual life

    • Hope Maimane says:

      Uzoefune, please listen to the video again…

      I don’t know what you mean by consciousness….but the consciousness will be there until you repent and stop the sin…because sin and consciousness are intertwined…henece we are not saved by our works

      “I am not under the law” excuse

      What we must realise not being under the Law of Moses did not excuse us from being under the law of Christ/Spirit…Please look at this verse to see which law the new testament believers are under…

      Romans 8:2 For the LAW of the SPIRIT of life in CHRIST JESUS has made me free from the law of sin and death.(Law of Moses)

      So new testament believers are still under the law…and where there is law, there can be transgression as it is written “sin is transgression of the law”….New Testament writers wrote the instructions for New Testament believers…

      Under the Law of the Spirit, you have instructions….one of them is…

      1Cor_7:9 But if they CANNOT CONTAIN, let them MARRY: for it is BETTER TO MARRY than to burn.

      As you can see the solution to sexually pressure is to MARRY and not masturbate….but if you masturbate while you have the Holy Spirit…your conscience and the Holy Spirit becomes grieved…unless the person never really had the Holy Spirit…or unless he received ANOTHER GOSPEL other than the one preached in New Testament books.

      Hug!

  37. KELLY VANDESTAR says:

    in every thing we gat in mine about what really masturbation is all about we just need to pray over this issues for the spirit to determine the final conclusion because i my self gat it difficult to say it is wrong or right.But i think the bible says in the book of NUMBERS that God is not man nor the son of man,that implies that man can do variable things but some times its all depends on the mind and heart, now not everything that we do could always be sin ,some times it is done to solve a situation .The may be two people doing one act ,to one could be wrong but the other ,right. so this statement of pa Chris should not make him stupid in the face of Christians and many others,to your own point of view he may right,may be others wrong.Don’t forget he is a man like you and i not God .so in other for this statement not to cause conflict or criticism,it is better we keep our contribution to our life and concentrate on some thing else,, I LOVE U ALL
    T H A N K S

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